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[CaptPostMod]

So, if she's an Oracle, who or what is she an Oracle for?

An Oracle is just a go-between. Like the Oracle of Apollo or Athena. Just a person who speeks for a patron god.

So who is the Oracle and oracle for?

[CloudWolf]

Well being an Oracle isn't exactly her purpose, its merely a title that shes been given and obviously grown fond of by the people of Zion (See Architect's "please...")

[CaptPostMod]

Well being an Oracle isn't exactly her purpose, its merely a title that shes been given and obviously grown fond of by the people of Zion (See Architect's "please...")

As a title it still demands the same question, perhaps even more so.

If everyone called you the Messenger, then wouldn't the question, "Messenger for whom?" follow?

[Feral_Boy]

Perhaps in an attempt to try to be representative of as many different religions and mythologies as possible, that question may never be answered. Once you define that, you lose the broad range that they were probably shooting for.

The prophecies she made had both a true and a false aspect to them. They were false in that she was part of the cycles and was just another cog in the machinery that helped to perpetuate them. But behind the scenes, she worked tirelessly to try to subvert the Architect and find a way to gain peace between Man and Machine. The cycles were her way of making a solution POSSIBLE, while Neo was the One who made that possibility a REALITY.

And now that Neo is gone and the peace is in the hands of Man and Machine, we have seen in The Matrix Online that it does not last very long. The Truce is now broken.

But to get back to the original question of the being(s) behind the Oracle, I would say that when she's speaking the false aspects of the Path of the One, she is a mouthpiece for the Machines. But when she speaks of what's BEYOND the Path of the One (where Neo went when he took the Path of Neo), then she is speaking for herself--from her own intuition. She is her own Oracle.

[CaptPostMod]

She is her own Oracle.

"Be your own oracle." I like that.

[vieome]

My opinion is that is the go between, for man and the source.
A lot is lost on people because of terminology or classification. People refer to programs as machine, or the source as the machines.
But when you break down all the players in the matrix universe it breaks down some what like this.

Source(god, original A.I that spawned the mass, the unity of all in zero one, universal mind of machines)

The source then creates the following
Machines
Man kind chooses to fight machines. The source creates the Archie to design matrix to hold all of mans minds. Archie
fails to create the perfect matrix to accomplish task. The source creates Oracle to find reason Archie failed.
What does the source want and end to the war. The source is smart enough to know that man and machine must live together
or the whole world ends.
blah blah blah.

[CaptPostMod]

My opinion is that is the go between, for man and the source.

Me, too. We assume "oracle" just means she gives prophecies. But that would make her the Prophet or Fortune-Teller. She is the Oracle. And the word oracle doesn't mean someone who can tell the future and give prophecies. It means someone who speaks on behalf of a deity.

The only deity I could see the Oracle as speaking on behalf of is the Source.

[iLuvU2]

Okay,

Now what does "the Source" mean?

[CaptPostMod]

Okay,

Now what does "the Source" mean?

http://matrix-explained.com/php/post-68449.html&highlight=grand+unified+theory+captpostmods+god&sid=6dd4c221ea0c5088332ddd636bb98fe3#68449

[iLuvU2]

Bene,

Now, why is "the Source" in this story?

[CaptPostMod]

Bene,

Now, why is "the Source" in this story?

http://matrix-explained.com/php/post-88475.html&highlight=source&sid=3a36934b993016ddeab08ee9f017ba62#88475

[iLuvU2]

http://matrix-explained.com/php/post-88475.html&highlight=source&sid=3a36934b993016ddeab08ee9f017ba62#88475

Gnosticism, Cartesian Dilemma, Dualism, oh my. Why is "the Source" in the story, again?

[CaptPostMod]

http://matrix-explained.com/php/post-88475.html&highlight=source&sid=3a36934b993016ddeab08ee9f017ba62#88475

Gnosticism, Cartesian Dilemma, Dualism, oh my. Why is "the Source" in the story, again?

But what Neo realises at the end is the "physical" is no further from the Source than the "spiritual." In Neo's life, the [divide between spiritual and mechanical] is an imposed POV, not a necessary one.

[vieome]

But what Neo realises at the end is the "physical" is no further from the Source than the "spiritual." In Neo's life, the [divide between spiritual and mechanical] is an imposed POV, not a necessary one.

[/quote]

Does zion help to impose the POV of the physical? And ths no seperation sounds like MWAM to me.

I like to think the matrix is a six sided MIRROR BOX> and in it is just darkeness until a small spot of light is introduced and voila a billion different reflections of which you are one. Who put the light n the box remains the ultmate question. Some people say god some say the source, the great unknown.

[CaptPostMod]

Does zion help to impose the POV of the physical?

Just the opposite. Zion offers the viewpoint of the superiority of spirit. The machines offer the viewpoint of the superiority of the physical or mechanical world.

And ths no seperation sounds like MWAM to me.

I can kind of see that.

I like to think the matrix is a six sided MIRROR BOX> and in it is just darkeness until a small spot of light is introduced and voila a billion different reflections of which you are one. Who put the light n the box remains the ultmate question. Some people say god some say the source, the great unknown.

If one believes that the light, the Source, God, the box, the reflections, and him are all separate things, then he is like Neo for most of the Trilogy before the satori moment.