The Matrix Fans 2007 forums

[NeOne]

Whether Stephen Hawkins is in a wheel chair or not, you and he are both in the matrix..., the world you live in (all around you), is the matrix (it is real), but you still don't see it and may never..., so how is it that someone who cannot see the matrix in this world can discuss the laws of the matrix? It makes no difference if you are christian, catholic, budist, baptist, jewish, or whatever..., you have been programmed from birth to believe what you believe..., It was designed with you in mind..., postitive thinking will never achieve what knowledge will..., and no amount of opportunity, wealth, or peace can justify enslavement, but then you still don't know that you are in bondage -- for it is a comfortable place.

And

Ignorance is bliss!
Knowledge is pain!

Ignorance is bliss for the slave
knowledge is the power of the master

In connection to the matrix, lets not forget cyphers choice to be back in the matrix. he had knowledge but still wanted to be in the matrix. A slave that misses selecting the choices provided by his master.This is your life and it is ending one minute at a tme, are you going to enjoy it with the knowledge that heaven is a place on earth, or are you going to long for something more, I need no belief in the art of heaven or hell on this earth or elsewhere, for God resides within you and I, as God is nothing more than the energy that created and remebers all living things. I am not a byproduct of an evolved ape, but a man spontaneously evolved from matter and energy..., I was not created by the artful intangible ideas and accounts of any surface, nor do I wish to enjoy the illusions of life, for my purpose is to live a life worth remembering and being ressurrected into the artificial world to illuminate, and not fade into the dust on the shelves of the underworld. and underground city, eating the same goop every day, it all comes down to choice. Choose or not to choose the choices provided that is the question...? for those still asking Why. And what you forget is that you might be programmed by the rich to believe that property is not the answer[b].---lost me on this one, for the Matrix is property and your relations and nexus to all the property around you, but you are under the illusion that you own what you believe to be your property.[/b] If you have never being rich how can you know abou the rewards that a rich life provides, in our otherwise downward tradjectory, spiral we call life.

illusions of wealth in property does not correlate to a rich life..., a cut flower smells and looks beautiful on the surface, minute to minute, for a short-time, but when its gone, it is replaced and forgotten.

[iLuvU2]

Whether Stephen Hawkins is in a wheel chair or not, you and he are both in the matrix..., the world you live in (all around you), is the matrix (it is real), but you still don't see it and may never..., so how is it that someone who cannot see the matrix in this world can discuss the laws of the matrix? It makes no difference if you are christian, catholic, budist, baptist, jewish, or whatever..., you have been programmed from birth to believe what you believe..., It was designed with you in mind..., postitive thinking will never achieve what knowledge will..., and no amount of opportunity, wealth, or peace can justify enslavement, but then you still don't know that you are in bondage -- for it is a comfortable place.

And

Ignorance is bliss!
Knowledge is pain!

Ignorance is bliss for the slave
knowledge is the power of the master

In connection to the matrix, lets not forget cyphers choice to be back in the matrix. he had knowledge but still wanted to be in the matrix. A slave that misses selecting the choices provided by his master.This is your life and it is ending one minute at a tme, are you going to enjoy it with the knowledge that heaven is a place on earth, or are you going to long for something more, I need no belief in the art of heaven or hell on this earth or elsewhere, for God resides within you and I, as God is nothing more than the energy that created and remebers all living things. I am not a byproduct of an evolved ape, but a man spontaneously evolved from matter and energy..., I was not created by the artful intangible ideas and accounts of any surface, nor do I wish to enjoy the illusions of life, for my purpose is to live a life worth remembering and being ressurrected into the artificial world to illuminate, and not fade into the dust on the shelves of the underworld. and underground city, eating the same goop every day, it all comes down to choice. Choose or not to choose the choices provided that is the question...? for those still asking Why. And what you forget is that you might be programmed by the rich to believe that property is not the answer[b].---lost me on this one, for the Matrix is property and your relations and nexus to all the property around you, but you are under the illusion that you own what you believe to be your property.[/b] If you have never being rich how can you know abou the rewards that a rich life provides, in our otherwise downward tradjectory, spiral we call life.

illusions of wealth in property does not correlate to a rich life..., a cut flower smells and looks beautiful on the surface, minute to minute, for a short-time, but when its gone, it is replaced and forgotten.

I just noticed that the subscript to this forum said to post your theories on the matrix and the proof you found to support them, so I have a question for NeOne:

Is what you're saying expressed in the films? If your answer is 'yes', lets discuss how.

If your answer is 'no', then...what's uuuuuup?

[vieome]

This is his proof that he keeps telling me NeOne "The Matrix = Property".
However I think the most important aspect of the matrix before bein able to apply the laws is understanding the life of Neo.
So I have compiled a doc that is from Neos perspective.


http://matrixfans2007.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=120 This links you to all the information that connects to the theorys about the matrix.

[iLuvU2]

This is his proof that he keeps telling me NeOne "The Matrix = Property".
However I think the most important aspect of the matrix before bein able to apply the laws is understanding the life of Neo.
So I have compiled a doc that is from Neos perspective.


http://matrixfans2007.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=120 This links you to all the information that connects to the theorys about the matrix.

That link is pretty heavy. Do you think many of the posters here would appreciate it or even understand what you're doing with that, vieome?

[vieome]

Yes... They will understand what they need to understand.
It is the matrix story told from Neo's Perspective with the links that provide inside to what he might have been thinking.
It is the only way to trully understand the matrix.

[iLuvU2]

It's not the only way to understand the matrix. It is a start, though. It might put some of the posters here on the path, provided they haven't already written your post off as 'unrelated material someone just wanted to post.' People do that, ya know. Another way to understand might involve being more familiar with the material that the movies reference and being more able to recognize it expressed in other ways, for example. Most people aren't.

[Feral_Boy]

Yes... They will understand what they need to understand.
It is the matrix story told from Neo's Perspective with the links that provide inside to what he might have been thinking.
It is the only way to trully understand the matrix.

Don't you mean to say that it's the Matrix story told from YOUR perspective of what Neo was thinking? And as for claiming that your understanding is the only way to truly understand the Matrix, that's a pretty hefty claim. After having been involved in a couple of Matrix forums and being involved in many deep, deep discussions, I can tell you that the rabbit hole goes extremely deep. This is because the Wachowski Brothers did not just write about a story from their own imagination but tapped into existing mythologies and just gave them a modern twist. These mythologies go deep into the human psyche and have been around for thousands of years. That's why the story of the Matrix is not just limited to what the Wachowski Brothers put up on screen. It taps into something primal inside ourselves and gives life to old mythologies in ways that our postmodern minds can grasp. We may be technologically advanced, but the same issues still plague the human race.

I'm not saying that you're uninformed or that you don't have something important to say. I believe that discussion is important, and everyone's contribution helps us better understand the big picture--a truly integral approach. But what I'm trying to point out is that for any single individual to claim that he or she has the only way to understand the Matrix could potentially be construed as an egotistical stance--especially in light of the fact that the writers themselves claim that there is more to it than just their own understanding. That's the very reason that they have never publically given their opinion on what they think it all means, because they want everyone to discuss what it means to THEM. They understand that this story is not THEIR story, but is humanity's story and must be understood as everyone brings their pieces to the table.

[iLuvU2]

And as for claiming that your understanding is the only way to truly understand the Matrix, that's a pretty hefty claim.

Why do you say that? Vieome didn't say that his understanding is the only way to understand the films. He said that doing the research that he took the time out to link to his post is. I hope you realize theres a difference?

This is because the Wachowski Brothers did not just write about a story from their own imagination but tapped into existing mythologies and just gave them a modern twist. These mythologies go deep into the human psyche and have been around for thousands of years. That's why the story of the Matrix is not just limited to what the Wachowski Brothers put up on screen. It taps into something primal inside ourselves and gives life to old mythologies in ways that our postmodern minds can grasp. We may be technologically advanced, but the same issues still plague the human race.

What issues are we talking about, and what do you think a myth really is?

what I'm trying to point out is that for any single individual to claim that he or she has the only way to understand the Matrix could potentially be construed as an egotistical stance--

To be fair, it could potentially be construed as an egotistical stance to fumble around in a dark room and think of someone as a know-it-all just for suggesting you turn a light on as well. But this is what we naturally do isn't it? We form a view of what we think of as exclusively true and then when a cognition comes along that doesn't fit that view, we feel that old uncomfortable feeling, followed by that old attempt to ignore, discredit, or factor out that cognition. But we don't do that to understand more, we do that to feel more comfortable with our current understanding.

everyone's contribution helps us better understand the big picture

Not unless everyone has at least a practical understanding of part of the picture and to be honest, they don't. And to be truly integral, you have to be involved in researching and investigating ALL the pieces of the puzzle, and that involves giving ear to information that goes against what you may be inclined to listen to without prejudice.

the writers themselves claim that there is more to it than just their own understanding. That's the very reason that they have never publically given their opinion on what they think it all means, because they want everyone to discuss what it means to THEM.

Define "it" in the above statement and let's discuss it. And please don't say "the films" because they wrote the films so to say that they wrote something they don't understand would be asking people to throw common sense to the wind. The films are the writers' way of showing you how they have been able to put the pieces together. What they are saying is that there are connections that they admit that the films may not have made and they are encouraging others to join in this endeavor. To that end, there have been some responses in films, music, etc. reflecting the writers' own take on these things. What they AREN'T saying is that, the films themselves are open to so many interpretations and speculations and that people who know very little about what the films are depicting have equal standing with those that do. They don't talk about it because for 1: 2003 was a long time ago and 2: Those who have no clue about the topic would be better served by doing their own research before even trying to jump in the discussion or not even gettting involved at all than by going by what someone told them and relying on that.

[vieome]

Feral good to see you on board.

yes there are a million different things that the matrix might be to us the viewers who had the gods eye view.
in my humble opinion the only journey that is important to understanding the matrix, is the journey that Neo took, because he is the one. The one with the power, and in order for us to understand the matrix we have to try and figure out what he knows. And if you read the thread of Neo you will see that I do link to all the items that we are exploring as part of the matrix.

While I find it interesting looking at the bees we can never understand the hive by understand a bee. And Neos perspective gives us the insight into the whole the hive mind.

Yes it is my interpretation of Neos journey, but we are all reflections of Neo and understanding his journey is not that hard if you lived a similair life.

Now I have read manys view some say the matrix chakras, the matrix hindu, but I believe tha is the wrong approach because according to the matrix all the things in the matrix are programmed by the machines, so what we know from a matrix view point is that the machines may not have got it right, the tasty wheat thing, perhaps what they tell us about mythology they programmed wrong.

And Neos the man who took the journey has a better understanding of the matrix then we can possibly have with our pre programmed brains, i.e a catholic will think the matrix is about Jesus etc etc. It is only with letting go of what we think we know of the world and the matrix and taking a fresh approch that we will come to a better understand.

And Neo the journey I wrote was not as an explaination to begin with but was just a matrix fan fic http://matrixfans2007.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=118 But I began to see it as being an important topic, and when I have time to complete the whole journey I think it will become clear, and you will see all the discusion that matrixs fans had reflected in Neos journey.

Sorry for sp and that and bad english but am very limited in internet time .

And I dont think being in the rabbit hole is important, what is important is to emerge from the hole and eventually see the world with new(neo) eyes.
And while the Neo doc is important as a major piece of the puzzle I long ago posted a very comprehensive view of the matrix


HERE but only those who have come out of the rabbit hole will understand. many are going deeper into the hole with the matrix online, but all the answers are already in ones head. And I am not expert so all you read my part of the puzzle which I hope leaves no stonne unturned. I also have just had a book published which the above links explains.